<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ich habe hier mal noch ein paar Sachen zusammengefasst die mir unklar sind und über die es auch in Euren Mails verschiedene Meinungen gibt.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1. Mitglieder der Haltestellen-Relation</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Bei allein stehendem „highway = bus_stop“ sowie „amenity = waste_basket“, „amenity = bench“, „amenity = shelter“ gibt es unterschiedliche Meinungen ob sie in die Relation aufgenommen werden sollen, oder nicht.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Vorschlag: Ich würde zunächst nur „highway = bus_stop“ ohne Rolle in die Relation integrieren, da es (als Haltestellenschild) wesentlicher Bestandteil der Haltestelle ist.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Separat getaggte Abfalleimer, Bänke und Unterstände findet man ja auch so.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2. Wartebereich als Linie oder Fläche</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hier bin ich mir selbst nicht einig oder sicher was besser ist. Zwar ist bei dem Begriff „Bereich“ klar eine Fläche definiert, doch welche Ausmaße sollte die Fläche haben? Als Länge kann das erkennbare Busbord genommen werden. Und als Breite? Die Breite des Fußwegs? Oder des erkennbaren Busbords? Oder dass Bänke, Abfalleimer und Unterstände in der Fläche sind?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Wird dann die gesamte Fläche als platform in die Busroute aufgenommen?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ich bin eher kein Freund der Flächenmalerei und werde mit Punkten und Linien arbeiten.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">3. Schreibweise der Namen des Betreibers und der Verkehrsgesellschaft</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In der Dokumentation zum public_transport-Schema steht drin, dass der Name nicht abgekürzt werden soll. Auch ein Grundsatz von OSM ist, keine Abkürzungen zu verwenden.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Aber: Ein Grundsatz ist auch, allgemein bekannte und in der Öffentlichkeit benutzte Namen und Begriffe zu verwenden. In Dresden steht auf jedem Haltestellenschild auffallend groß geschrieben DVB und VVO. Diese Abkürzungen sind allgemein bekannt und werden verwendet. Die Langschreibweise eher nicht.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In anderen Städten ist das bestimmt nicht anders.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Wenn allgemein keine Abkürzungen verwendet werden sollen, müsste man dann auch zum Beispiel GmbH – sorry – Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung oder AG - Aktiengesellschaft ausschreiben… (überspitzt formuliert und bitte nicht allzu ernst nehmen!) ;-)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Meiner Meinung nach wäre es am Besten, bei Operator und network die Abkürzung zuzulassen und einen tag einzuführen wie z.B. operator:long_name / network:long_name</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">4. Reihenfolge der Mitglieder in der Busroute</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mir ist nicht klar, warum unbedingt zuerst die Haltestellen (stop &amp; platform) und dann erst die Wege in der Relation stehen müssen. Warum ist das so?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Vom logischen Fahrweg ist doch meines Erachtens die Reihenfolge stop – platform – way – way - … - stop – platform – way – way – stop -… usw. vorgegeben.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:13px;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Auch dachte ich, dass nur die Reihenfolge der Haltestellen - Stopps wichtig sind und die Wege nur „Begleitwerk“ um die Route visuell darstellen zu können.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Wenn schon alle Wege und alle Haltestellen jeweíls hintereinander stehen müssen, wäre es nicht möglich die Reihenfolge umzudrehen? Also zuerst alle Wege und dann die </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Haltestellen (stop &amp; platform)? M</span><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px">it den im Browser integrierten Editoren (ID und Potlach) könnte man so die Routen leichter und schneller korrigieren.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px">Oder haben die Tools eine Sortierfunktion, die ich übersehen habe?</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Mit JOSM (&amp; Plugins) sowie anderen externe Editoren habe ich bisher kaum gearbeitet. Geht es damit einfacher und zuverlässig so wie es verlangt wird?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Ich werde aber nun auf die vorgegebene Reihenfolge achten.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Viele Grüße</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Wolfgang</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p></div>