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    <p>Hallo,</p>
    <p>hier eine Meldung auf der Karlsruher-Mailingliste von Jens, der
      sich ehrenamtlich bei der Stadt Herrenberg engagiert und fragt, ob
      die Stadt selbst in OSM aktiv werden soll oder nur Daten
      lizenzrechtlich sauber bereitstellen sollen.</p>
    <p>Wir könnte Jens auf unseren Stammtisch aufmerksam machen oder auf
      einzelne OSM-ler in oder in der Gegend von Herrenberg.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>viele Grüße</p>
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    </p>
    <p>Dietmar<br>
    </p>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Return-Path:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de"><karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de></a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Authentication-Results:
            </th>
            <td>kundenserver.de; dkim=fail
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:header.i=@lists.openstreetmap.de">header.i=@lists.openstreetmap.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Authentication-Results:
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            <td>kundenserver.de; dkim=fail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:header.i=@jens-ox.de">header.i=@jens-ox.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Authentication-Results:
            </th>
            <td>kundenserver.de; dkim=fail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:header.i=@messagingengine.com">header.i=@messagingengine.com</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
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            <td>from mail2.fossgis.de ([78.46.186.101]) by
              mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue103 [217.72.192.67]) with ESMTPS
              (Nemesis) id 1Mssla-1sF4JK2cPo-00wwx1 for
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ostrmap@diesei.de"><ostrmap@diesei.de></a>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:56:46 +0200</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
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            <td>from mail2.fossgis.de (localhost.localdomain
              [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.fossgis.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id
              E4E181A394E; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:56:45 +0200 (CEST)</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">DKIM-Signature:
            </th>
            <td>v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple;
              d=lists.openstreetmap.de; s=default; t=1722416206;
              bh=QdX05k91Gx+NqSYwfXchAkcYlKka4CrCgCYNxsg5Y5Y=;
              h=Date:To:Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:
              List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:From;
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              gebrr0wb+2Ds6wqORexszfT3xMjYolY9R9waWyinHVbiLhKSf1/NU60YxLYnePFRvx
icRqIjCKOs990Z+Qh3ZlHEi6zY4vhFo5nXbKiGTKJH0GrgvkyAvgCTU9fTfBQEP6Vo
              qySzwR3kyVtWvYqY5v9OQtUGvm/jmBx6qw9ogo/KFQIQMSLrkI7FQITdE9eA3jsk9z
              tsGDpbxpQgtsw==</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Original-To:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de">karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Delivered-To:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karlsruhe@mail2.fossgis.de">karlsruhe@mail2.fossgis.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Virus-Scanned:
            </th>
            <td>Debian amavisd-new at fossgis.de</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Spam-Flag:
            </th>
            <td>NO</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Spam-Score:
            </th>
            <td>-2.817</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Spam-Level:
            </th>
            <td><br>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Spam-Status:
            </th>
            <td>No, score=-2.817 required=2.8 tests=[BAYES_00=-0.5,
              DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1,
              DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,
              RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001,
              SPF_PASS=-0.001, TXREP=-1.416] autolearn=no
              autolearn_force=no</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Greylist:
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            <td>delayed 1116 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at mail2; Wed, 31
              Jul 2024 10:56:40 CEST</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
            </th>
            <td>from fout5-smtp.messagingengine.com
              (fout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [103.168.172.148]) (using
              TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
              key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits))
              (No client certificate requested) by mail2.fossgis.de
              (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BB511A05B7 for
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de"><karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de></a>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024
              10:56:40 +0200 (CEST)</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
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            <td>from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal
              [10.202.2.43]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with
              ESMTP id 68A2713800F0 for
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de"><karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de></a>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024
              04:38:03 -0400 (EDT)</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
            </th>
            <td>from imap45 ([10.202.2.95]) by compute3.internal
              (MEProxy); Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:38:03 -0400</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">DKIM-Signature:
            </th>
            <td>v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jens-ox.de; h=cc
              :content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to
              :message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to;
              s=fm1; t=1722415083; x=1722501483;
              bh=At3S/3BonwwGZVq8tY61DEWJkP3hrx/b xEFzmMLsuLw=;
              b=MVUDyZtUZGB2E7cvHTC9aLF6VjvhRs1pXUjtxGF5AUL6hYQw
              a0VmQWzVGdmfzV47DDP0QyhCgVa+KQwSNgxMK3/5MBxHQ87WRd9sltMZ3AhXkqyC
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              mxKiqZAfe+rogBnviPfFdEiBe2rhfq5B3K4wvCTgZHRV2WnxBAulECvuDfF6RFJw
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              HT846Ey0fbUTTg/zXtwZj9kMZ8fk4Ey9hGF/xA==</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">DKIM-Signature:
            </th>
            <td>v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=
              messagingengine.com;
              h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date
              :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:message-id
              :mime-version:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy
              :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=
              1722415083; x=1722501483;
              bh=At3S/3BonwwGZVq8tY61DEWJkP3hrx/bxEF zmMLsuLw=;
              b=ruQCkGTIY1wAtTRDnH0ZNbjdwyRukzoj/PHupfrnOJTUovDnuch
              saHdcq6CUWvm5pyytf/2l1/J7JxzjkGbKwD9gykQIaK/tEmUvHEmdTiox/fNNr0i
dwQJvTU+hKI6G9CKR7ynG1bu990OfLewtxWFLxPeq0uSmx72LYDvkcoPn8CG97mY
              qurEyxuGQB3XbU21JdCm4oLDowvHK1VpS6NIffDFEKjTcG8ebAxBsZk+43YeVIdj
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              8jhsHfdO7M15D8lW85gpkaqRnoXk9++TT7Q==</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-ME-Sender:
            </th>
            <td><xms:6vepZknegaZkyeknBHGW3hANqZZ4V3VyOFt4Dm4QZDGeQdaacVIx-g>
<xme:6vepZj1XQxRM4BXJIVzveB1W5bd1TA_0op3d3umFwnfytPvOgEjO3g93nan7zw7md
              9kxADzfGwfYAvHWgcg></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-ME-Proxy-Cause:
            </th>
            <td>gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeftddrjeeigddtiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf
curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu
              uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofggfffhvffkufgtsegrtderreertd
ejnecuhfhrohhmpedflfgvnhhsucfqtghhshgvnhhmvghivghrfdcuoehoshhmsehjvghn
              shdqohigrdguvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffegledvleeffeffjeevheekteeuve
fgfffhkeefteevieeiffehtdeigfevudevnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfr
              rghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepohhsmhesjhgvnhhsqdhogidruggvpdhnsggprhgtph
              htthhopedt</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-ME-Proxy:
            </th>
            <td><xmx:6vepZipLqWoJm-ofKj6X3yUe-R_UALSqj4_IXlusw6cOIRgwdn4msw>
<xmx:6vepZgkpOH_aJUNYh82IQK-hSRTgOzz4qAHER3Rql4z5rGIPL3_MTg>
              <xmx:6vepZi1TV36jHRng--DNNEmcA0p84-HU6ztF-IWa4Wsl61l3BAb-Aw>
<xmx:6vepZnt0S3SVA2K2jfTHN0qLk6qsD4idPcog9SEuur4JCKyIEMB_eA>
              <xmx:6_epZn_j4ADUe7XLynitWlAaQmYahAP7zb0JfGstY0g0p6f7tt_L18O7></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Feedback-ID:
            </th>
            <td>ib3994756:Fastmail</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Received:
            </th>
            <td>by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id
              C7E07272007C; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:38:02 -0400 (EDT)</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Mailer:
            </th>
            <td>MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">MIME-Version:
            </th>
            <td>1.0</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
            <td>Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:37:42 +0200</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">To: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de">karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Message-Id:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:57ab5b53-6a6a-4e2f-8f12-a98a2b3d0d28@app.fastmail.com"><57ab5b53-6a6a-4e2f-8f12-a98a2b3d0d28@app.fastmail.com></a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Subject:
            </th>
            <td>[OSM KA] OSM und Kommunen</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-BeenThere:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de">karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Mailman-Version:
            </th>
            <td>2.1.29</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Precedence:
            </th>
            <td>list</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Id:
            </th>
            <td>OpenStreetMap in Karlsruhe und Umgebung
              <karlsruhe.lists.openstreetmap.de></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Unsubscribe:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/options/karlsruhe"><https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/options/karlsruhe></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=unsubscribe"><mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=unsubscribe></a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Archive:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/private/karlsruhe/"><https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/private/karlsruhe/></a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Post:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de"><mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de></a></td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Help:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=help"><mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=help></a></td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">List-Subscribe:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/listinfo/karlsruhe"><https://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/listinfo/karlsruhe></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=subscribe"><mailto:karlsruhe-request@lists.openstreetmap.de?subject=subscribe></a></td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">From: </th>
            <td>Jens Ochsenmeier via Karlsruhe
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de"><karlsruhe@lists.openstreetmap.de></a></td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Reply-To:
            </th>
            <td>Jens Ochsenmeier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:osm@jens-ox.de"><osm@jens-ox.de></a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Content-Type:
            </th>
            <td>multipart/mixed;
              boundary="===============3466992035248078341=="</td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Errors-To:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de">karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de</a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Sender:
            </th>
            <td>"Karlsruhe"
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de"><karlsruhe-bounces@lists.openstreetmap.de></a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Envelope-To:
            </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ostrmap@diesei.de"><ostrmap@diesei.de></a></td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">X-Spam-Flag:
            </th>
            <td>NO</td>
          </tr>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">UI-InboundReport:
            </th>
            <td>notjunk:1;M01:P0:7xLnrxPErPk=;vDBrOeq62UhOvO3XHPEvCxIlKPzs
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      <div>Hallo alle,<br>
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      <div>ich engagiere mich ehrenamtlich in meiner Heimatstadt
        (Herrenberg bei Stuttgart), um die Digitalisierung dort
        voranzubringen. Teil davon ist, dass Datenbestände zu
        verschiedenen POIs aus internen Excel-Tabellen zu befreien und
        als Open Data bereitzustellen.<br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Ich bin neu bei OSM, versuche aber, dass die Daten in diesem
        Zusammenhang direkt von Angestellten der Stadtverwaltung bei OSM
        eingetragen werden. Dazu kamen inzwischen einige Fragen auf:<br>
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      <ul>
        <li>Ist die Pflege von OSM-Daten durch Stadtverwaltungen
          erwünscht? Oder sollen die Daten lieber unter einer sinnvollen
          Lizenz (DL-DE Zero?) veröffentlicht und von Dritten
          eingepflegt werden?<br>
        </li>
        <li>Viele POIs sind auf OSM bereits eingetragen, manche fehlen
          und bei manchen fehlen einige der im OSM-Wiki als erwünscht
          markierten Attribute, beispielsweise bei Radabstellanlagen.
          Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, sich einen aktuellen Überblick über
          "seinen" Zuständigkeitsbereich automatisiert zu verschaffen,
          damit man über Änderungen auf OSM informiert wird und
          Datenbestände sinnvoll abgleichen kann?<br>
        </li>
        <li>Gibt es neben POIs andere Daten, die Kommunen bereitstellen
          und ggf. in OSM einpflegen sollten?<br>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <div>Viele Grüße!<br>
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      <div>Jens</div>
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